The Agile Manifesto turned 20 earlier this year, and many are celebrating. But from a testing perspective, should we be celebrating agile? As part of our ongoing series of web seminars, CEO Jeffery Payne hosted long-time testing experts Johanna Rothman and Robert Sabourin in a debate on whether agile has helped or hurt testing

Explore some of the resources shared below, and view the entire presentation here.


What Project Managers Need to Know About Testing, by Johanna Rothman

How to Create a Career Ladder for Real People: Vertical & Lateral Movement by Johanna Rothman

Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire: An Independent Testers Transition to SCRUM by Robert Sabourin


Has Agile Helped or Hurt Testing?

Johanna Rothman

Johanna Rothman, known as the “Pragmatic Manager,” offers frank advice for your tough problems. She helps leaders and teams do reasonable things that work. Equipped with that knowledge, they can then decide how to adapt their product development. With her trademark practicality and humor, Johanna is the author of 18 books about many aspects of product development. Her most recent books are the Modern Management Made Easy series, and From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams (with Mark Kilby).

Robert Sabourin

Rob Sabourin has more than thirty-nine years of management experience leading teams of software development professionals. A highly-respected member of the software engineering community, Rob has managed, trained, mentored, and coached hundreds of top professionals in the field. He frequently speaks at conferences and writes on software engineering, SQA, testing, management, and internationalization. Rob authored I am a Bug!, the popular software testing children’s book; works as an adjunct professor of software engineering at McGill University; and serves as the principal consultant (and president/janitor) of AmiBug.Com, Inc.

Jeffery Payne

Jeffery Payne is CEO and founder of Coveros, Inc., a company that helps organizations accelerate the delivery of secure, reliable software using agile methods. Prior to Coveros, he was co-founder of application security company Cigital, where he was CEO for 16 years. Jeffery is a recognized software expert and popular keynote speaker at both business and technology conferences on a variety of software quality, security, DevOps, and agile topics. He has testified in front of Congress on issues such as digital rights management, software quality, and software research.

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